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John Mitchell's (mostly DotNetNuke) Blog - Which to use? Snowcovered or the DotNetNuke Marketplace?
 Tuesday, March 20, 2007

This is only my opinion, but I have been around since the early days so it may be worth the obligatory 2 cents.  First, I will acknowledge that the DotNetNuke Marketplace is a viable storefront that some developers of skins and modules have already taken advantage of.

For the most part, I think the reason you see more releases of skins and modules on Snowcovered is because the developers and designers are sticking with what works for them.

We have been selling on Snowcovered for a long time and it has been working for us.
We are familiar with the process, and the tools available, and have seen them grow based on our feedback.
Having to go through any certification process is just another step that takes time away from development and support. As pointed out, the requirements are not that tough, but my perception is still that the benefits of being "reviewed by DotNetNuke" do not provide enough value of having to pay for a process to be listed in a store that does not offer any more benefits to me as a vendor.

Also, after paying to be reviewed, the DotNetNuke Marketplace still wants 25% commission on products sold.  I think that is a steep price for the "new player" to charge module and skin developers without any real added benefit.  Snowcovered also gets 25%, but I see a big difference in how that 25% gets reallocated.

Here are some key differences as I see them today:

  • Developers who have products listed on Snowcovered get 10% off when they buy products on Snowcovered.
  • Snowcovered offers a 10% referral fee to anyone that links to their store and have done so since they started, even if you are just linking to your own product. This means that the 25% is easily reduced to 15%.
  • Snowcovered has built a ton of loyalty with their customers and developers by always responding to both with new and innovative ways to address the needs of both.  DNN Corp. may do the same, but they have to play catch up.
  • The listing of your product on Snowcovered is very liberal which produces the affect that the service is purely a third-party connecting the customer to the vendor.  Vendors can update their own profiles and Listings with links to their own sites. Vendors can manage their own support or use the very robust system built into the service.  I can't speak as a vendor or customer of the DotNetNuke Marketplace, but I do not see any links to the actual vendor sites to help me decide what kind of support I can offer my customers.
  • Submission to the DotNetNuke Marketplace is through a formal process that takes a lot of time, mainly because it is filtered through a single person performing that process.  The submission process on Snowcovered has been fine tuned over time and is very efficient.  There is a lot of time and effort that goes into packaging a real product for retail sale, the last thing we need is to wait weeks to get that product through a formal process that may be delayed for any number of reasons.

The last item is actually used as the value statement for the DotNetNuke Marketplace.  They claim they are raising the bar for the commercial DotNetNuke Modules ecosystem by providing that process and thereby increasing consumer confidence when it comes to buying modules.  As a purchaser of many, many modules I disagree.  I have seen the process from both inside and out and I have been a part of the commercial market of DNN as a consumer and a vendor.  In my opinion, you can get a better review by doing your own research on any module or skin you are thinking of buying.  And that review is a lot easier to do if I have fast access to the vendor's support system.

All that being said, since DotNetNuke Corporation has the ability to push their advertising out with the application then it is probably only a matter of time before more and more developers will start moving to where they can get that added exposure.

Sorry for rambling on, but I think it is a good topic, and to keep it going I have a question;

Will the Snowcovered store be added into the new solution explorer?  Should it be?

Ok, I guess technically that is two questions...  But hey, I did give 2 cents before asking. :)

3/20/2007 6:49:25 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)  #    Comments [10]
3/22/2007 9:20:31 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
"Will the Snowcovered store be added into the new solution explorer? Should it be?"

I think it should be, but I guess it won't
In this nterview:
http://www.dotnetrocks.com/default.aspx?showNum=219
Shaun Walker is asked about the market for custom modules and you can hear he's trying to avoid to mention snowcovered, although it "should" have been part of his answer.
3/23/2007 7:38:20 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
Agree with above comment... There is no way Snowcovered will be included.

John, as you stated, people who buy modules have done their due diligence... granted that might take buying some crap at first, but it only takes once.

3/23/2007 9:25:05 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
Thanks for your feedback. I am also sure that Snowcovered will not be included, even though it is a great resource for finding commercial and free modules for DotNetNuke.

I'm not saying Snowcovered does everything perfect and should be the only place to find modules, but I believe that maturity in the software business is the best way to remove any negatives.

Maybe the new Marketplace will "raise the bar" as they say, but I have serious doubts about that. In my opinion, what we are already seeing is that the DotNetNuke Marketplace will catalog as many modules as possible and still try to avoid the module and skin developers being "represented" or "endorsed" by the DotNetNuke Corporation. Which is very conflicting in my mind of the role the corporation is trying to project.

4/4/2007 1:35:03 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
This is a shame since Bryce got this all started for DNN in the first place. Being around DNN since the begining I have to say that things have been very disapointing over the last year. I sould have figured something like this would also happen considering how some of us were burned with the benefactor BS. I find it funny benefactors have to pay to play with buggy software anyway!

Cheers,
Dave
Dave
4/4/2007 6:45:26 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
It's interesting to think of outcomes when you have the power... let's put the balance scales out... the variety of products that currently exist on dnn market place in one hand and in the other a Snowcovered link - with their own refferal ID attached to it - Both could generate income, but one could show how weak the other might be and therefore not get the traffic wanted to justify charging someone a fee to get their products listed in the first place. (does that make any sense?) We have an inwards and downwards spiralling circle here but they have 'control' over their world.

Is this called 'protective custody' where, every opportunity to engage the developers is kept at bay while personal business opportunities are given 'protection'? Is that really 'community minded'

And please don't tell me it's about 'quality' - I've got 'reviewed' modules that have errors and just live with it as saying something makes me look like I'm trying to pick a fight. (dare a woman who can't code have an opinion or the right to question anything that has a sticker saying 'reviewed' on it)

I have absolutely NO issue with generation of money - we need it to help foster a growing environment, and perhaps if you mention 'commercialism and DNN' it brings up mixed reactions... and he who holds the key to every release that is done has the power at the end of the day.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Nina Meiers
Nina Meiers
4/18/2007 6:40:18 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
I use snow and it would be nice if it would be in the solution explorer. What I like about snow:
1. as a seller on snow, I get a 15% discount
2. I have a good overview over what I have bought
3. the patches and hotfixes section this is a very good feature
4. the number of modules and skins
5. weekly newsletter with new products
6. search feature

I could go on, but the major problem are mentioned by other posters: review takes too long and the costs are too high.

Peter
5/9/2007 1:28:12 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
Those freakin' Canadians. What's that all aboot anyways? I like bacon. I like pig's feet. Why should I buy goverment endorsed meat? Cause it's safe? Na...
5/16/2007 4:50:25 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
FYI for developers considering the marketplace has recently opened up so that you don't have to get "reviewed" to be part of the program now.
5/16/2007 5:01:44 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
Thanks for that update Chris.

That is really interesting considering the overall reasoning and main differentiator for the DotNetNuke Marketplace was supposed to be that it would have "better" modules. Or to put it the way that I heard in all those core team chats when the subject came up, the DotNetNuke marketplace would weed out all the "crap" modules by "raising the bar".

It'll be interesting to see what the new slogan is.
3/20/2008 10:13:58 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
I think the DotNetNuke marketplace can turn into something worthwhile, but building walled gardens never seems to work out, unless you are Steve Jobs and catch everyone napping on a massive market yet to be tapped. DNN modules are neither a massive market nor is anyone napping.

In my mind, it's fair enough that DNN is trying to derive some value from the community. As long as the fine line of providing value without trying to monopolise things is walked, most people have no qualms over it.

The proof is in the pudding though - Snowcovered is ininity times better than DotNetNuke marketplace for me, because my DNN marketplace sales so far = zero. It might pick up, though, time will tell. The solutions explorer will degrade from more modules being added though, because as an interface it doesn't lend well to searching/ filtering for the desired functionality.
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